0 1 00:00:00,240 --> 00:00:04,170 Welcome to the scary topic for most freelancers. Pricing. 1 2 00:00:04,200 --> 00:00:05,630 How much do you charge? 2 3 00:00:05,670 --> 00:00:09,110 Being confused about pricing in the beginning, is alright. 3 4 00:00:09,150 --> 00:00:11,800 I was quite confused when I started off as well. 4 5 00:00:11,820 --> 00:00:14,910 I remember my very first landing page project that I did, 5 6 00:00:14,910 --> 00:00:22,380 I charged $200 and it was quite a lot of work actually. It was landing page design 6 7 00:00:22,380 --> 00:00:25,950 and build. I wrote the copy and content for the landing page. 7 8 00:00:25,950 --> 00:00:34,890 It was marketing project too, I did Facebook ads, and I built, I've designed Facebook banners and advertisements 8 9 00:00:34,890 --> 00:00:37,800 as well. And did everything for $200. 9 10 00:00:37,830 --> 00:00:41,360 Then I upgraded to hourly rate and it was $20 per hour. 10 11 00:00:41,400 --> 00:00:48,150 And that was already a decent upgrade for me. Because at that rate, I was able to support myself fully 11 12 00:00:48,390 --> 00:00:51,370 by freelancing. Freelancing basically full time. 12 13 00:00:51,420 --> 00:00:55,460 Then I upgraded to $30 per hour, which was my rate for quite some time. 13 14 00:00:55,470 --> 00:01:03,030 Then I doubled to $60 per hour. And now, I mainly charge flat rate and about, on average, 14 15 00:01:03,030 --> 00:01:09,690 $5000 for a design and build a website. Upgrading from 30 to $60 per hour was one of the most 15 16 00:01:09,690 --> 00:01:12,860 emotionally challenging things to do for me. 16 17 00:01:12,900 --> 00:01:18,660 I felt so guilty, especially when I had to tell my existing clients, that I was going to double 17 18 00:01:18,690 --> 00:01:22,490 their rate that they were already working with me for some time. 18 19 00:01:22,500 --> 00:01:28,680 Rationally, I knew that it made sense, but emotionally I was sweating from anxiety. Later then, I realized 19 20 00:01:28,680 --> 00:01:31,290 that I was running 2 false beliefs in my head. 20 21 00:01:31,290 --> 00:01:36,320 First, I was projecting my own money issues onto clients, instead of seeing it from their perspective, 21 22 00:01:36,330 --> 00:01:41,790 I was looking at it from my own. Comparing it to my own money spending habits. Feeling guilty, because 22 23 00:01:41,790 --> 00:01:45,450 I myself would find it difficult to pay $60 per hour for anything. 23 24 00:01:45,810 --> 00:01:50,710 Second, thinking that price that I charge is in direct correlation to the level of my skill. 24 25 00:01:50,730 --> 00:01:55,500 So, if I charge double the amount, now I should be twice as skilled. And you might think, 25 26 00:01:55,500 --> 00:01:56,670 "But isn't that true? 26 27 00:01:56,670 --> 00:01:59,160 Shouldn't higher price mean better skill?" 27 28 00:01:59,220 --> 00:02:00,730 Actually, not at all. 28 29 00:02:00,960 --> 00:02:03,400 Here's the most important truth about pricing. 29 30 00:02:03,480 --> 00:02:06,590 How much you charge, depends on who is buying. 30 31 00:02:09,340 --> 00:02:12,470 There is this amazing business coach for creative people. 31 32 00:02:12,490 --> 00:02:17,850 His name is Chris Do. And I was once watching his lecture on pricing and it just blew my mind. 32 33 00:02:17,860 --> 00:02:21,280 I realized how much I didn't know about my own pricing. 33 34 00:02:21,310 --> 00:02:24,320 Imagine a scenario, two potential clients approach you. 34 35 00:02:24,430 --> 00:02:26,750 They both want a very similar website. 35 36 00:02:26,830 --> 00:02:32,410 Same amount of pages, same functionality, something that is going to take same amount of time for you 36 37 00:02:32,410 --> 00:02:33,640 to design and develop. 37 38 00:02:34,120 --> 00:02:38,860 So, obviously you give them the same rate. But these clients couldn't be more different. 38 39 00:02:38,860 --> 00:02:42,280 First one is an independent accountant, a small guy. 39 40 00:02:42,340 --> 00:02:46,850 The second one is a large law firm, that makes millions of dollars per year. 40 41 00:02:46,930 --> 00:02:49,840 What do you think? Is a website worth the same for them? 41 42 00:02:50,110 --> 00:02:51,370 Absolutely not. 42 43 00:02:51,370 --> 00:02:56,910 A new website might bring more business for both of these clients. But more business for the accountant 43 44 00:02:56,950 --> 00:03:03,160 might mean extra 1000 bucks per month. And for the law firm, that might mean extra 100 000 per month. 44 45 00:03:03,160 --> 00:03:08,640 Same website, same amount of effort from you, but huge difference in value based on the client. 45 46 00:03:08,680 --> 00:03:14,260 So, whatever rate you give these 2 clients, probably it's too expensive for the accountant and ridiculously 46 47 00:03:14,260 --> 00:03:15,880 cheap for the law firm. 47 48 00:03:15,880 --> 00:03:18,100 You'll end up losing both of the prospects. 48 49 00:03:18,100 --> 00:03:23,200 You might think, "Well at least, law firm will be excited about getting such a cheap price". But they won't. 49 50 00:03:23,200 --> 00:03:28,540 Paying $5000 for a website, that might bring them extra 1,000,000 per year, 50 51 00:03:28,780 --> 00:03:30,110 seems unrealistic. 51 52 00:03:30,250 --> 00:03:31,990 It's too small of a number. 52 53 00:03:32,050 --> 00:03:35,650 They won't trust your work. But if you adjusted your prices, 53 54 00:03:35,660 --> 00:03:37,080 based on who is the client. 54 55 00:03:37,090 --> 00:03:43,420 Let's say, hypothetically offering 2000 for the accountant and 20K for the law firm, you might end up 55 56 00:03:43,420 --> 00:03:48,190 landing both of these jobs. Because prices would sound reasonable for either of them. 56 57 00:03:48,190 --> 00:03:53,490 Steve Jobs paid 100,000 for the NEXT logo. Are logos worth 100 K? 57 58 00:03:53,620 --> 00:03:56,070 For him, it was. For a small startup, 58 59 00:03:56,080 --> 00:04:00,260 it wouldn't be. So how much a website costs depends on 2 things. 59 60 00:04:00,310 --> 00:04:02,300 First, who is paying. 60 61 00:04:02,320 --> 00:04:08,710 And second, what's the value that they expect to gain out of it. Expected value is an important factor 61 62 00:04:08,710 --> 00:04:09,960 to consider as well. 62 63 00:04:09,970 --> 00:04:15,730 Imagine the same scenario with a big law firm, but this time they don't need a website to generate new 63 64 00:04:15,730 --> 00:04:17,000 business for themselves, 64 65 00:04:17,050 --> 00:04:20,920 they just need a website with a couple of pages and a contact information. 65 66 00:04:20,920 --> 00:04:22,830 Now that's, a different story. 66 67 00:04:22,840 --> 00:04:24,900 They're not planning to gain a lot of value out of it. 67 68 00:04:24,900 --> 00:04:27,580 So 20 k might sound too much to pay. 68 69 00:04:27,640 --> 00:04:33,050 They're probably going to pay more than the independent accountant but not as much as the 20k. 69 70 00:04:33,130 --> 00:04:38,590 So, to determine the right price to charge for the website, you have to first understand who is your client 70 71 00:04:38,980 --> 00:04:41,110 and then understand what's the value 71 72 00:04:41,110 --> 00:04:42,960 do they plan on gaining out of it. 72 73 00:04:42,970 --> 00:04:49,690 The value will depend on each project. and you can find out by asking several questions like, what's the 73 74 00:04:49,690 --> 00:04:53,500 goal of the website? And what do they hope to gain out of it? 74 75 00:04:53,500 --> 00:04:56,890 As for clients, we can divide them in 4 categories. 75 76 00:04:59,590 --> 00:05:03,700 A private client is somebody who is paying for the project from their own pocket. 76 77 00:05:03,850 --> 00:05:11,170 So, this can be independent professionals like us, freelancers, consultants, or startups that don't have 77 78 00:05:11,170 --> 00:05:11,710 funding. 78 79 00:05:11,890 --> 00:05:14,830 These guys, I would say, they max out at $2000. 79 80 00:05:14,830 --> 00:05:19,540 But if there is a lot of value to be gained from the website, then they can go higher. 80 81 00:05:19,630 --> 00:05:24,940 When it comes to hourly rates, it's a bit more confusing for the clients, to understand if something is 81 82 00:05:24,940 --> 00:05:25,750 cheap or expensive. 82 83 00:05:25,750 --> 00:05:29,510 Because if you don't know how much something's going to take, you don't know, 83 84 00:05:29,560 --> 00:05:35,320 if, for example, $50 per hour is expensive or cheap. If it takes 2 or 3 hours pretty cheap, 84 85 00:05:35,360 --> 00:05:39,330 but if it takes, you know, 100 and 200 hours, pretty expensive. 85 86 00:05:39,370 --> 00:05:44,320 What happens with hourly rates, is that clients usually use their own experience and preconceived ideas 86 87 00:05:44,340 --> 00:05:51,160 about, if something is cheap or expensive, based on how much it costs per hour. And they're using their 87 88 00:05:51,160 --> 00:05:53,730 own cultural kind of reference, wherever they live, 88 89 00:05:53,830 --> 00:05:57,860 how much different services that they pay for and compare it to that. 89 90 00:05:57,910 --> 00:06:04,960 And my rule with hourly rates is that never go below $20 per hour. Because most of your clients, 90 91 00:06:04,990 --> 00:06:11,830 they will come from developed countries and in developed countries anything below $20 per hour 91 92 00:06:12,160 --> 00:06:18,240 comes very close to a minimum wage. And minimum wage is something that, you know, a janitor is going to 92 93 00:06:18,250 --> 00:06:19,010 get paid. 93 94 00:06:19,030 --> 00:06:24,670 You're offering highly skilled services and you shouldn't be paid as at a minimum wage. 94 95 00:06:24,820 --> 00:06:29,230 And if you price yourself like a janitor, then you're going to look like a janitor and you're gonna scare 95 96 00:06:29,230 --> 00:06:38,050 away any decent clients, because nobody wants their website to be built by a janitor. Then you have studios 96 97 00:06:38,050 --> 00:06:43,060 and agencies, like creative studios, design agencies, I.T. companies and all that. 97 98 00:06:43,090 --> 00:06:47,940 These are usually going to be small and medium-sized agencies and studios. Because large ones, 98 99 00:06:48,130 --> 00:06:52,870 most of the time, they have their own full-time staff and they don't engage, and they don't have a need 99 100 00:06:52,870 --> 00:06:59,260 to engage freelancers. When working with agencies usually hourly rate is the best way to go for 2 reasons. 100 101 00:06:59,260 --> 00:07:00,120 First, 101 102 00:07:00,250 --> 00:07:01,180 it's just simpler, 102 103 00:07:01,180 --> 00:07:04,830 you don't have to renegotiate every time on every new project. 103 104 00:07:04,930 --> 00:07:12,130 And second, because of the revisions. And projects going a little, kind of scope of the projects, basically 104 105 00:07:12,160 --> 00:07:15,460 getting bigger and bigger. And you needing to do a bit more work. 105 106 00:07:15,460 --> 00:07:20,620 Because what happens is that, when you design something and build something, right? You gonna have 106 107 00:07:20,920 --> 00:07:26,210 staff inside the agency give you feedback. Then you would have to do the revisions and they're going 107 108 00:07:26,210 --> 00:07:31,390 to send it to the client, and then clients will have their own comments and their own changes, 108 109 00:07:31,390 --> 00:07:33,800 their own changes that they want to me. 109 110 00:07:33,850 --> 00:07:39,220 And then you're gonna have to then do it another round of revisions. On a fixed rate, studio itself 110 111 00:07:39,220 --> 00:07:41,520 doesn't have to worry about these revisions. 111 112 00:07:41,650 --> 00:07:46,510 So, they're gonna pile all of it on you, but if they are paying you per hour and now they're going 112 113 00:07:46,510 --> 00:07:51,670 to have to be a bit more mindful, and a bit more cautious of how much revisions you are doing, because 113 114 00:07:51,670 --> 00:07:55,210 that's coming out of their payment, that they get from their final client. 114 115 00:07:55,420 --> 00:07:58,960 And usually, when they work with the final client, they don't work per hourly basis. 115 116 00:07:58,960 --> 00:08:03,340 Companies don't usually work on per hourly rate base, but they work per project. 116 117 00:08:03,360 --> 00:08:10,150 So they're going to charge a flat rate to the final client. And they need to make sure, that whatever 117 118 00:08:10,510 --> 00:08:16,810 it costs them doesn't go too much out of hand. And when they're paying you flat rate, then they don't 118 119 00:08:16,810 --> 00:08:17,170 care. 119 120 00:08:17,170 --> 00:08:22,780 And you can just, you know, work on it as much as they want. In terms of hourly rate, 120 121 00:08:22,780 --> 00:08:28,240 it really depends on what type of clients they themselves work with. 121 122 00:08:28,240 --> 00:08:32,400 Typically, I would say, they're going between $20 to a $70 per hour. 122 123 00:08:32,410 --> 00:08:34,830 They're never gonna go, 123 124 00:08:34,900 --> 00:08:37,450 I think, above $70 per hour. 124 125 00:08:37,480 --> 00:08:42,340 Then in that case for them, it's going to make sense to hire a full-time employee and squeeze as much 125 126 00:08:42,340 --> 00:08:43,840 as possible from them. 126 127 00:08:43,870 --> 00:08:44,620 Right? 127 128 00:08:44,660 --> 00:08:52,330 And also depends on country that they're located in, on maybe city even they're are located in, and if 128 129 00:08:52,330 --> 00:08:57,760 they are working with the local clients or online clients themselves. Because if they're working with 129 130 00:08:57,760 --> 00:09:03,730 the local clients. And you can probably easily find this out. Then that means that you're going to be 130 131 00:09:03,730 --> 00:09:04,800 charging more. 131 132 00:09:04,960 --> 00:09:05,250 Right? 132 133 00:09:05,260 --> 00:09:09,910 Because with the local clients the prices are usually higher. Because you have a very limited number 133 134 00:09:09,910 --> 00:09:15,640 of agencies and studios in the city. And you're meeting your clients and things are a bit more, sort of, 134 135 00:09:15,750 --> 00:09:21,130 on a higher up level, rather than online. Because, you know, big corporations they're not going to hire 135 136 00:09:21,130 --> 00:09:26,200 an online agency. They're going to hire somebody who is local, somebody they can meet and somebody they 136 137 00:09:26,200 --> 00:09:28,960 can sue if things go wrong. 137 138 00:09:29,110 --> 00:09:36,340 If you're negotiating with studios, don't be afraid to go lower than your usual rate, because the constant 138 139 00:09:36,340 --> 00:09:43,900 flow of work and cutting down on non-billable hours, totally justifies the discount that you're going 139 140 00:09:43,900 --> 00:09:46,970 to give them. When working with direct final clients, 140 141 00:09:47,080 --> 00:09:50,410 you actually have to do proposals, right? 141 142 00:09:50,410 --> 00:09:55,760 You have to send proposals or contracts, and negotiate, and have interviews, and things like that. 142 143 00:09:55,960 --> 00:09:59,410 But when working with a studio, you just do that once, 143 144 00:09:59,410 --> 00:10:00,330 right? 144 145 00:10:00,340 --> 00:10:06,760 And then every single new project that comes your way, you don't have to go through all of this process 145 146 00:10:06,760 --> 00:10:14,140 of negotiating and interviewing, or all that stuff. Because the agency and the studio is doing that with 146 147 00:10:14,470 --> 00:10:16,450 the final client themselves. 147 148 00:10:16,450 --> 00:10:24,820 So you get to, you get the project that is already ready to go and ready to bill. Then you have small 148 149 00:10:24,820 --> 00:10:26,200 and medium sized businesses. 149 150 00:10:26,200 --> 00:10:31,720 Usually at these are medium-sized businesses, that are making money, or startups that have funding. 150 151 00:10:31,840 --> 00:10:38,860 These guys would usually go probably from $2000 and up. Until maxing out maybe at $10,000, $15,000 thousand. 151 152 00:10:41,490 --> 00:10:46,070 And finally, you have large companies with a lot of employees, that make a lot of money. 152 153 00:10:46,220 --> 00:10:53,210 And these guys probably start at 15k and up. But you don't have to worry about these guys, because they 153 154 00:10:53,210 --> 00:10:55,010 don't really work with freelancers. 154 155 00:10:55,010 --> 00:10:59,030 They like to hire companies and studios, especially local ones. 155 156 00:10:59,030 --> 00:11:04,340 So no need to worry about them, because I've never worked with them. And I don't know freelancers 156 157 00:11:04,340 --> 00:11:06,410 who end up working with large companies. 157 158 00:11:06,410 --> 00:11:13,310 Let's recap. So we price based on who our client is. More valuable the website for them, more we charge 158 159 00:11:13,310 --> 00:11:18,730 for it. To understand what our clients are, we need to find out more about them, where are they based, 159 160 00:11:18,740 --> 00:11:21,040 what do they hope to gain out of the website. 160 161 00:11:21,050 --> 00:11:25,640 Do they need a website for themselves or they are an agency? And then propose the price accordingly.